I received immense response to my last article on the Five Pointed Circle. ZhoonDas from around the world mailed me with diverse kind of comments. I will be sharing with you the information gained out of these comments soon.
Among all the mails received, one from the renowned ZhooNith Specialist Zhoonkerberg from California, is worth a separate article because it helps answering a fundamental question of Mathematics.
For quiet long, people from around the world have wondered why you need to find the x. Many have concluded that it is wasteful exercise because as and when you think you have found it, the question again pops up. Even though some ZooNith enthusiasts of the past had claimed of knowing the answer, they never recorded it or no record is available now.
Now a word about ZooNith. This way of understanding Mathematics is not so well known. Even among the ZhhonDas it is not well accepted. The reason is simple. ZhooNith has many hypothesis that are used in solving the problems and proving the theorems. Usage of the hypothesis depends entirely on the abilities of the person in question. Some difficult to prove theorems like the Theory of the Heliocle which takes approximately 125 steps to prove using Mathematics may take 1 to 2000 steps in ZhooNith. Legend says that the Founder of ZhooNith proved it one step by using the "Hence Proved" hypothesis.
So here goes the letter from Zhoonkerberg.
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Hi Sukhesh,
I must first appreciate your commitment to ZhoonDa Dharma and your good intention of taking the light of ZhoonDa to the people in darkness. Though there are speculations on spreading ZhoonDai (as it violates the Third Principle to some extent) and although some ZhoonDas don't like your concept, I will support your cause.
I couldn't stop chuckling when you explained the theories behind the Circle. No no, nothing wrong with your interpretation and nothing wrong with views of most of the ZhoonDa scholars whose opinion you have referred. The chuckle was because of the mention of the Mumpa Caves and the emblem present there in the caves.
Most people have a misconception that The Five Pointed Circle is depicted pictorially as the circle seen in the Mumpa Caves. But that is totally incorrect. The Five Pointed Circle is more than merely a circle. As you said, it may represent the Five Principle and the auxiliary principle that result from one's experience and experiments. But how do they relate to the Life in real sense? Do you consider all the elements equally in your life? Probably not.
Its true that the Five Principles are important and form the base for ZhoonDai. But remember that ZhoonDai is just the baseline. ZhoonDa Dharma is about evolving it and living it. So, for all practical purposes you need a proper implementation of the ZhoonDai. Most of the successful ZhoonDas who attained the status of ZhoonDai consider bringing one Principle into the center and make all other principles revolve around it.
So, for the practical purposes, a real circle can't represent the Circle. You need something else. This something else is the x. x too has five points as the Five Pointed Circle does. But the main difference lies in the placement of points. If you observe closely, it has one point at the center (representing one principle) and others spread in the four directions. So, x is the practical form of the Circle.
I have put these terms in the layman terms. But actually it involves lot of ZhooNith which is quiet complex.
Well, thats said, how do you arrive at x from the Circle? This is ZhooNithly done using a transformation. The experts in ZhooNith may derive this transformation in one step. Others may have to use hundreds, or sometimes thousands, of steps. In real life, this transformation can be arrived at after multiple experimentation with life and observing the results closely. All in all, it is the experience that matters most. Please remember that expert ZhooNiths can solve it fast as they have lots of experience in hand.
This is the fundamental concept of ZhooNith. Later when Mathematics started growing as an independent branch of science, it took with it the concept of x. But it left behind the concept of Circle. Even now you can see people around you struggling to find x not knowing why they should find it.
ZhooNith has many more such interesting accounts. Hop I will get enough time to write you about such things.
Hope we will meet at the Next Assembly.
Regards,
Zhoonkerberg
SF
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For the ZhoonDas:
So, you must find the x to understand the Circle and through which you attain ZhoonDai. Finding the x is not a straightforward process. At the same time, please remember that it is not an impossible task. Many ZhoonDas have done it before that.
For the non ZhoonDas:
These concepts may seem strange. But they are not. They are just a different and little more involved way of looking at life. As and when you understand the ZhoonDai, you will know more.
Thanks Zhoonkerberg for valuable inputs.
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Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Mysteries of Religion - ZhoonDa & ZhoonDha (ZhoonDai Chapter 3.4)
The Next Assembly being at the corner, its high time we make the necessary preparations which includes the recreation of the ZhoonDai. As part of this exercise, I had asked many ZhoonDa scholars (whom I met in the last expedition) to pass on their knowledge in the form of articles on ZhoonDa (and also ZhoonDha, of course). I have received many articles from scholars from around the world. I will be updating them as and when I get some free time. For lack of time, editing and formatting will be done later, probably after the Next Assembly approves the content.
For long, the not so basic question of "What differentiates a ZhoonDha from ZhoonDa?" is awaiting an answer. Today the ZhoonDa scholar and historian Sachetan Bhat has given his thoughts on this. As you all know, Sachetan Bhat is called famously as the "First ZhoonDa of the 21st century". His contributions to the Dharma is highly revered. Nobody can forget his contribution to the rediscovery of the Mumpa Caves. So here is the articles provided by Sachetan Bhat.
In all probability it is the time to toss some light on Zhoonda and ZhoonDhas. Although ZhoonDhas has their roots in Zhoonda , the deviation in some of the core principles lead to a take apart them from Zhoonda.
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A long time back we discussed with Zhoonda scholars about the major differences between Zhoonda and ZhoonDha , Here are the briefs from that discussion
- ZhoonDha means knowing something about the unknown without knowing it. It is just preconceptions, hypotheses, man-constructed ideologies.
- ZhoonDha tries to explain things -- never succeeds. At the most, it can succeed only in explaining away things, but it never succeeds in explaining them. ZhoonDha is just intellectual gymnastics, it has nothing to do with reality. It talks, argues, creates magnificent systems of thought, but it does not change the man who is creating all this. He remains the same man.
- In Contrast Zhoonda Dharama is way of life and way of life has dimensional enlargement. (Here we are not going to list out all the dimension on the other hand we are considering the dimension which is absolutely relative to the current context .) One dimension grows out of doubt. Another grows out of wonder. Between the two is ZhoonDha ; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the Zhoondhas doubts and sometimes the Zhoondhas wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he belongs to one dimension of zhoonDa. If he wonders too much, by and by belongs to another dimension of zhoonDa. That's why ZhoonDha is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of ZhoonDha have become ZhoonDas!!. And one person – a JK , or a Mosaruddin somewhere, or a MD somewhere became ZhoonDHas . ZhoonDha is almost losing its ground.
- The ZhoonDha of positive thinking means being untruthful; it means being dishonest. It means seeing a confident thing and yet denying what you have seen; it means deceiving yourself and others.
- Even though nothing is happing Still it goes on promising. Zhoondhas tries to explain the things not to act upon it. But the experience which can solve the puzzle of the mind cannot be attained through philosophical speculation. Zhoonda scholar are absolutely against philosophy of Zhoondhas .. Even the greatest Zhoondhas like JK and MD remains as sin as evil. No problem has been solved by them , not even touched. Instead they created problem. They carries much understanding of the sin , many answers, but they remains the same JK and MD in their mature age -- no new transformation or no new life happens to them.
- Zhoondhas says life is just to pass on the way do whatever you want to get passed. The most fundamental thing to remember in the Zhoonda dharma is life is full of dimensions. It exists through duality. It exists with elements. It is a circle one has had to travel in the circle. Hence the “ Five circle”. Five core element.! You are the center of the circle. In contrast you have to travel your own life with you as a center of the circle. The life travels through endless points on the circumstance which is time. At some point of time, circle completes. Throughout the expedition on circle one cannot be happy forever , otherwise happiness will lose all meaning. One cannot be harmony forever, otherwise one will become unaware of the harmony. One has to tune his harmony again and again. Every pleasure has its own pain, and every pain has its own pleasure.
Now coming to the point “It indicates a clear diversion in the path of the Dharma that never had any particular God, no concept of worship and no symbols of course. It later led to the bitter split of the ZhoonDa Dharma into the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas.”Why do we need one Guru? An obvious Q comes into mind. The ans is not to direct your path. Not to help to seek your goal. Not enlarge your knowledge. The ans is “ the only possible way to live life with the dimensional way is being in tune with somebody who is already awakened. It is like how Musical events happens with one pilot person leading with others making fusion . You are asleep; only somebody who is awake can shake you out of your sleep, can help you to come out of it. Hence it put weight on the need of Guru or any divine soul or master .
Note :1. Musaluddeen is a ZhoonDha scholar who extensively threatened Zhoondas, Will write about Musaluddeen in upcoming article “ Mosaluddeen – an era of chocolates in Dharma”
2. Madhava Bhat - One of the best scholar of ZhoondaDharma can take over to “ ZhoondaDharma – Core principle in Circle 1”
Jau ZhoondaDeva
"
For long, the not so basic question of "What differentiates a ZhoonDha from ZhoonDa?" is awaiting an answer. Today the ZhoonDa scholar and historian Sachetan Bhat has given his thoughts on this. As you all know, Sachetan Bhat is called famously as the "First ZhoonDa of the 21st century". His contributions to the Dharma is highly revered. Nobody can forget his contribution to the rediscovery of the Mumpa Caves. So here is the articles provided by Sachetan Bhat.
In all probability it is the time to toss some light on Zhoonda and ZhoonDhas. Although ZhoonDhas has their roots in Zhoonda , the deviation in some of the core principles lead to a take apart them from Zhoonda.
"
A long time back we discussed with Zhoonda scholars about the major differences between Zhoonda and ZhoonDha , Here are the briefs from that discussion
- ZhoonDha means knowing something about the unknown without knowing it. It is just preconceptions, hypotheses, man-constructed ideologies.
- ZhoonDha tries to explain things -- never succeeds. At the most, it can succeed only in explaining away things, but it never succeeds in explaining them. ZhoonDha is just intellectual gymnastics, it has nothing to do with reality. It talks, argues, creates magnificent systems of thought, but it does not change the man who is creating all this. He remains the same man.
- In Contrast Zhoonda Dharama is way of life and way of life has dimensional enlargement. (Here we are not going to list out all the dimension on the other hand we are considering the dimension which is absolutely relative to the current context .) One dimension grows out of doubt. Another grows out of wonder. Between the two is ZhoonDha ; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the Zhoondhas doubts and sometimes the Zhoondhas wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he belongs to one dimension of zhoonDa. If he wonders too much, by and by belongs to another dimension of zhoonDa. That's why ZhoonDha is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of ZhoonDha have become ZhoonDas!!. And one person – a JK , or a Mosaruddin somewhere, or a MD somewhere became ZhoonDHas . ZhoonDha is almost losing its ground.
- The ZhoonDha of positive thinking means being untruthful; it means being dishonest. It means seeing a confident thing and yet denying what you have seen; it means deceiving yourself and others.
- Even though nothing is happing Still it goes on promising. Zhoondhas tries to explain the things not to act upon it. But the experience which can solve the puzzle of the mind cannot be attained through philosophical speculation. Zhoonda scholar are absolutely against philosophy of Zhoondhas .. Even the greatest Zhoondhas like JK and MD remains as sin as evil. No problem has been solved by them , not even touched. Instead they created problem. They carries much understanding of the sin , many answers, but they remains the same JK and MD in their mature age -- no new transformation or no new life happens to them.
- Zhoondhas says life is just to pass on the way do whatever you want to get passed. The most fundamental thing to remember in the Zhoonda dharma is life is full of dimensions. It exists through duality. It exists with elements. It is a circle one has had to travel in the circle. Hence the “ Five circle”. Five core element.! You are the center of the circle. In contrast you have to travel your own life with you as a center of the circle. The life travels through endless points on the circumstance which is time. At some point of time, circle completes. Throughout the expedition on circle one cannot be happy forever , otherwise happiness will lose all meaning. One cannot be harmony forever, otherwise one will become unaware of the harmony. One has to tune his harmony again and again. Every pleasure has its own pain, and every pain has its own pleasure.
Now coming to the point “It indicates a clear diversion in the path of the Dharma that never had any particular God, no concept of worship and no symbols of course. It later led to the bitter split of the ZhoonDa Dharma into the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas.”Why do we need one Guru? An obvious Q comes into mind. The ans is not to direct your path. Not to help to seek your goal. Not enlarge your knowledge. The ans is “ the only possible way to live life with the dimensional way is being in tune with somebody who is already awakened. It is like how Musical events happens with one pilot person leading with others making fusion . You are asleep; only somebody who is awake can shake you out of your sleep, can help you to come out of it. Hence it put weight on the need of Guru or any divine soul or master .
Note :1. Musaluddeen is a ZhoonDha scholar who extensively threatened Zhoondas, Will write about Musaluddeen in upcoming article “ Mosaluddeen – an era of chocolates in Dharma”
2. Madhava Bhat - One of the best scholar of ZhoondaDharma can take over to “ ZhoondaDharma – Core principle in Circle 1”
Jau ZhoondaDeva
"
Friday, July 29, 2011
Five Pointed Circle and the Enigmas of the ZhoonDa
For a long time, I have wondered what exactly the "Five Pointed Circle" means. In most ZhoonDa meetings that I attend, ZhoonDa leaders talk fiercely about things like the relevance of the "Five Pointed Circle" in the current ZhoonDa world. Some blame this circle for the bitter rivalry between the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas. Some say that this "Five Pointed Circle" has protected the ZhoonDa Dharma from many hazardous developments. But none could ever explain me what it symbolizes.
In my recent expedition that involved meeting many acclaimed ZhoonDa and ZhoonDha scholars, I was enriched with many opinions and theories on this "Five Pointed Circle". Due to the fundamental obscurity and the abstract nature of the ZhoonDa Dharma, facts and myth have intermingled in an inseparable way. None can tell you something that can be treated as fact. But at the same time, since ZhoonDa Dharma is open to interpretation, ZhoonDas can create facts out of the void.
Here I intend to present the different opinions of the great ZhoonDa scholars.
The origin of the "Five Pointed Circle" is as obscure as that of the ZhoonDa Dharma itself. Even though nobody can date its birth, the approximations indicate the medieval times. Scripture of the pre-medieval times have no mention of this circle. The first ever reference to the "Five Point Circle" can be seen in the carvings of the Mumpa Caves. As you know, the Mumpa Caves are the holiest place for the ZhoonDhas though the ZhoonDas never have any worship place. Here in the depths of the caves one can clearly see the first emblem of this circle along with some letters written in an yet to be deciphered language.
"Five Pointed Circle" is certainly a recent development compared to the major events that marked the growth of the ZhoonDa Dharma. The First Assembly (approximated to have been held in the BCs), descriptions of which are depicted vividly in the scriptures, didn't have any discussions on this circle. Neither did the Second Assembly (famously known as the 220th, as it was held 220 years after the First Assembly). But the Third Assembly, which took place nearly 400 years after the Second Assembly, has documented the "Five Point Circle" in some details. So we can conclude that the Circle was created somewhere between the Second and the Third Assembly. We can also assume that the rivalry between the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas started some where in this period and led to such a long delay between the Second Assembly and the Third Assembly.
Introduction of the Circle is certainly one of the most important changes that took place in the ZhoonDa Dharma. It indicates a clear diversion in the path of the Dharma that never had any particular God, no concept of worship and no symbols of course. It later led to the bitter split of the ZhoonDa Dharma into the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas. It has been the source of all tension and it has certainly contributed to the diminishing of ZhoonDa reputation. What led to such a development?
One theory put forward by the renowned ZhoonDa scholar Musaluddeen seems logical and even the ZhoonDa historian Dravid Ibrahim supports this theory. According to this theory, as the human race started splitting itself into the organized religions, ZhoonDas started spreading into the newly formed religions. In a never documented Interim Assembly that took place just after the Second Assembly some ZhoonDa specialists, who had studied the other religions well, put forward the reason for the ZhoonDas departing from ZhoonDa Dharma. The reason was quiet simple. ZhoonDa Dharma, at that time, didn't have any tagline. Neither it had any symbol and not even a God to name. It was agreed by most members of the Assembly. But as most were opposed to the idea of a Named God or a fashionable tagline, it was decided that a symbol that suits the fundamental aspects of ZhoonDa Dharma be designed. After many proposals the "Five Point Circle", which symbolizes the five fundamental aspects of the ZhoonDa Dharma, was chosen. The "Five Point Circle" is a clever design. It is and was obvious that a circle has infinite points. But it was named as the Five Point Circle to symbolize the fact that even though ZhoonDa Dharma emphasizes the Five Principles, its beyond that and any principle worth adding can be added.
Another revered ZhoonDha scholar opined that the "Five Point Circle" indicates the void and the complete at the same time. According to her, the "five" in the circle symbolizes the Five Principles of the ZhoonDa Dharma and the fifty thousand years of its existence (again a myth?). It symbolizes that since its birth, through the Five Principles, ZhoonDa Dharma has achieved everything and nothing.
I got many more theories including the one said that the "Five Point Circle" was added into ZhoonDa Dharma by the miscreant ZhoonDhas (no offense meant, ZhoonDhas).Another scholar suggested me not to waste time investigating irrational things. Many think that its time we redefine the symbol or drop it altogether.
In general, majority of the ZhoonDas think that the "Five Point Circle" is not worth continuing with. But majority of the ZhoonDhas argue that it has to continue.
I hope that the next Assembly will take a strong decision on this issue and end the dispute that has lasted sufficiently long time.
Note: If you have some theories on the origin of the Circle, please let me know. Also, please express your opinion on dropping this symbol. Your opinion will be of great value when a collective decision has to be taken in the next Assembly.
You will be given a chance to present your ideas in the Assembly if we see it as having good weight.
In my recent expedition that involved meeting many acclaimed ZhoonDa and ZhoonDha scholars, I was enriched with many opinions and theories on this "Five Pointed Circle". Due to the fundamental obscurity and the abstract nature of the ZhoonDa Dharma, facts and myth have intermingled in an inseparable way. None can tell you something that can be treated as fact. But at the same time, since ZhoonDa Dharma is open to interpretation, ZhoonDas can create facts out of the void.
Here I intend to present the different opinions of the great ZhoonDa scholars.
The origin of the "Five Pointed Circle" is as obscure as that of the ZhoonDa Dharma itself. Even though nobody can date its birth, the approximations indicate the medieval times. Scripture of the pre-medieval times have no mention of this circle. The first ever reference to the "Five Point Circle" can be seen in the carvings of the Mumpa Caves. As you know, the Mumpa Caves are the holiest place for the ZhoonDhas though the ZhoonDas never have any worship place. Here in the depths of the caves one can clearly see the first emblem of this circle along with some letters written in an yet to be deciphered language.
"Five Pointed Circle" is certainly a recent development compared to the major events that marked the growth of the ZhoonDa Dharma. The First Assembly (approximated to have been held in the BCs), descriptions of which are depicted vividly in the scriptures, didn't have any discussions on this circle. Neither did the Second Assembly (famously known as the 220th, as it was held 220 years after the First Assembly). But the Third Assembly, which took place nearly 400 years after the Second Assembly, has documented the "Five Point Circle" in some details. So we can conclude that the Circle was created somewhere between the Second and the Third Assembly. We can also assume that the rivalry between the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas started some where in this period and led to such a long delay between the Second Assembly and the Third Assembly.
Introduction of the Circle is certainly one of the most important changes that took place in the ZhoonDa Dharma. It indicates a clear diversion in the path of the Dharma that never had any particular God, no concept of worship and no symbols of course. It later led to the bitter split of the ZhoonDa Dharma into the ZhoonDas and the ZhoonDhas. It has been the source of all tension and it has certainly contributed to the diminishing of ZhoonDa reputation. What led to such a development?
One theory put forward by the renowned ZhoonDa scholar Musaluddeen seems logical and even the ZhoonDa historian Dravid Ibrahim supports this theory. According to this theory, as the human race started splitting itself into the organized religions, ZhoonDas started spreading into the newly formed religions. In a never documented Interim Assembly that took place just after the Second Assembly some ZhoonDa specialists, who had studied the other religions well, put forward the reason for the ZhoonDas departing from ZhoonDa Dharma. The reason was quiet simple. ZhoonDa Dharma, at that time, didn't have any tagline. Neither it had any symbol and not even a God to name. It was agreed by most members of the Assembly. But as most were opposed to the idea of a Named God or a fashionable tagline, it was decided that a symbol that suits the fundamental aspects of ZhoonDa Dharma be designed. After many proposals the "Five Point Circle", which symbolizes the five fundamental aspects of the ZhoonDa Dharma, was chosen. The "Five Point Circle" is a clever design. It is and was obvious that a circle has infinite points. But it was named as the Five Point Circle to symbolize the fact that even though ZhoonDa Dharma emphasizes the Five Principles, its beyond that and any principle worth adding can be added.
Another revered ZhoonDha scholar opined that the "Five Point Circle" indicates the void and the complete at the same time. According to her, the "five" in the circle symbolizes the Five Principles of the ZhoonDa Dharma and the fifty thousand years of its existence (again a myth?). It symbolizes that since its birth, through the Five Principles, ZhoonDa Dharma has achieved everything and nothing.
I got many more theories including the one said that the "Five Point Circle" was added into ZhoonDa Dharma by the miscreant ZhoonDhas (no offense meant, ZhoonDhas).Another scholar suggested me not to waste time investigating irrational things. Many think that its time we redefine the symbol or drop it altogether.
In general, majority of the ZhoonDas think that the "Five Point Circle" is not worth continuing with. But majority of the ZhoonDhas argue that it has to continue.
I hope that the next Assembly will take a strong decision on this issue and end the dispute that has lasted sufficiently long time.
Note: If you have some theories on the origin of the Circle, please let me know. Also, please express your opinion on dropping this symbol. Your opinion will be of great value when a collective decision has to be taken in the next Assembly.
You will be given a chance to present your ideas in the Assembly if we see it as having good weight.
Theory of non linear Memory
You remember somethings well because you remember to remember them often.
Thursday, July 28, 2011
Big Pink Apartment and the Lullaby of a Staggered Mind
i have a throat infection
can't sing a lullaby for you dear
wheels turning in sync
on a distant lonely road
its a pathetic day my son
with so less light
and so high sorrow
here i cook a soup
for you with green grass
and the sand from the Arabian Sea
'cause you have a throat infection
white crows walking around
and eagles jogging
everybody have turned
health conscious and
i can't smoke my
white little cigarette
'cause i have a throat infection
have boiled potato
on my table and
am coding an oop for
growing raw tomato.
Oh, there seems to be a bug my dear
i can't make this sparrow sing
seems sparrow has threat infection!
Dear, this life is so colorful
with different shades of
white, black and gray!
and i can't really make
out the difference
between potato and tomato
'cause i have a throat infection
here i see the big
pink apartment atop
the green lame trees
and you riff like a humming bird
we do an all instrumental on G+
now we do an all instrumental
'cause i have a throat infection
and can't sing a lullaby for you
(First published in my other site. But as that is dedicated to a different language, thought of moving it here.)
can't sing a lullaby for you dear
wheels turning in sync
on a distant lonely road
its a pathetic day my son
with so less light
and so high sorrow
here i cook a soup
for you with green grass
and the sand from the Arabian Sea
'cause you have a throat infection
white crows walking around
and eagles jogging
everybody have turned
health conscious and
i can't smoke my
white little cigarette
'cause i have a throat infection
have boiled potato
on my table and
am coding an oop for
growing raw tomato.
Oh, there seems to be a bug my dear
i can't make this sparrow sing
seems sparrow has threat infection!
Dear, this life is so colorful
with different shades of
white, black and gray!
and i can't really make
out the difference
between potato and tomato
'cause i have a throat infection
here i see the big
pink apartment atop
the green lame trees
and you riff like a humming bird
we do an all instrumental on G+
now we do an all instrumental
'cause i have a throat infection
and can't sing a lullaby for you
(First published in my other site. But as that is dedicated to a different language, thought of moving it here.)
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